![]() ![]() JASON: Yeah, so this is actually - I’m really curious about this because it is a - when I read about this, like you announced 6.4, and you kind of teased at things like mutations and data loaders. Can this fit in React Router just standalone? And we discovered, yeah, it totally can. Then we brought it all over to React Router. I kind of skipped the server side of stuff in my career but did a lot of that too. I did a putsch of PHP in Rails and stuff too. Then we figured out, oh, shoot, we can do mutations as well with forms, just like old-school web. ![]() Once we had a server and could start thinking about, all right, we got a server, what can we do here with our router, and yeah, got the data loading. And they had some really cool data abstractions, which I guess brings us to today, where we discovered some cool stuff in Remix. Yeah, been working on that for a couple years. JASON: Yeah, then built just that little old thing. ![]() Then React hit the scene, and I jumped on the wagon with everybody else. If you read through our features page on the React Router doc side, we have a whole paragraph that’s like talking about how Ember taught us about these nested routes and how cool they are. Then after that, I did some backbone and jQuery together. So that’s when I really cut my teeth in JavaScript. And that was the prototype, Mu Tools, jQuery. So I really got into JavaScript and really dynamic websites in the early 2000s. Then the next day I’m like, hey, come look at your website. So I got back into it, and she’d go to websites on other people’s portfolios and be like, hey, can you make it change colors when they switch pictures? No, I don’t know how to do that. So my wife is like, didn’t you know how to make websites when you were a kid? I was like, oh, crap. But the teacher is like, you could also make a website if you know how. And we could either print one, and that was going to be like 300 bucks. Then I got married, and my wife needed either a - she was studying photography, so she needed a portfolio. And then came back and then got into college and didn’t do a whole lot. Did some volunteer work for my church for a couple years. Then I kind of - I didn’t do a whole lot with web development for a couple years. The popular bands in Utah would let me play shows with them if I promised to build them a website. ![]() Honestly, I kind of hit my - I started making websites for my punk rock band. Then I remember when J-script and JavaScript showed up on the scene. That’s when I got started, just HTML and CGI. Back then, you just had your own FTP server and could stick files there and you had a website. Remember those? You had to like plug into the phone line and call up and do all the modem noises. Maybe someone in the comments can tell me how old I am.Īnyway, so the internet comes out, and my dad invested in ISP. Maybe even just a super high level of your kind of path to today would be super useful. JASON: And then I think, you know, it’s safe to assume that people have probably come across your work in the past, but you created React Router. But I mean, if you’re watching this show, you’ve probably heard of React Router. I can’t believe we’ve been working on that thing for almost a decade. So, created it with my partner Michael Jackson, business partner. For folks who maybe aren’t familiar with your work, do you want to give us a bit of a background before we jump in? I think this is going to be a whole lot of fun. Well, yeah, so I’m thrilled to have you back on the show. JASON: Yeah, I think that’s the way it goes. JASON: Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of two beards, two hats, two hoodies. Full Transcript Click to expand the full transcriptĬaptions provided by White Coat Captioning ( ).Ĭommunication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitateĬommunication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings. ![]()
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